English

[ramenkage]

English as it is currently taught should not be considered an academic class,
it is true that reading and writing is essential to our daily lives,
but what are the benifits of shakespearian plays and romantic poetry
Anyone agree/disagree?

[mgviperman]

i think the purpose of english is really to develop your reading abilities as well as your vocabulary so when you take crappy tests like the SAT you'll at least have something to help

[Babbo]

they teach people about culture????
Babbo couldn't really give a **** though......
either way though, since they are considered a part of literature which is one of the most widely used expressions of the langauage, they can probably be considered an import part of academia......

[ramenkage]

i would rather have text book reading and essay writing classes, they are more useful
ive developed my writing skills mostly from writing essays for history classes =/

[Babbo]

Babbo would too, Babbo hates his intro to literature clas right now....but either way you look at it, you can't leave it out......

[ramenkage]

you most definitly can
what is the worst that can happen if literature is removed?

[mgviperman]

people will talk like this all the time!!!

"I h@t3 5@5gh3y!!!!on3!!!!!3l3v3n!!!

[ramenkage]

im not against proper english, but the literature incorporated into the course
is it necessary for people to read shakespeare, hawethorne, or steinbeck in order to succeed in life?

[Lst2touchdasky]

Well i find most my classes alright including english, but the subject I find useless and soooooo boring is a american history. All this talk about the bible and racist white men gets so boring, mostly when the teacher tells us to draw pictures of god and hell and all that stuff the early american settlers thought about. Im a buddhist and hell doesnt really apply to me, the last thing I want to listen to is how some arrogant people killed others in the name of god on the east coast.

[Babbo]

Well i find most my classes alright including english, but the subject I find useless and soooooo boring is a american history. All this talk about the bible and racist white men gets so boring, mostly when the teacher tells us to draw pictures of god and hell and all that stuff the early american settlers thought about. Im a buddhist and hell doesnt really apply to me, the last thing I want to listen to is how some arrogant people killed others in the name of god on the east coast.
Babbo's american history clas was nothing like that.........

[mgviperman]

mine either... but to answer ramenkage's question, some people like to have a certain amount of culture. at the very least, those books and stuff give you something to start a conversation with. it may be boring, but it's a conversation nonetheless

[ramenkage]

seriously...
are you sure youre taking american history o_O;;
history correctly studied takes alot of thinking
its not about what happened, but rather why it happened

[Babbo]

actually it's a bit of both.......................

cause if it didn't focus on what happened even the tiniest bit then how the fsck would we know what caused things to happen?

[mgviperman]

seriously...
are you sure youre taking american history o_O;;
history correctly studied takes alot of thinking
its not about what happened, but rather why it happened
exactly, so for the intelligent people who actually READ the stuff... it's great for speculation and arguments

[version01]

Personally I feel that reading the classics isn't essential for everyday living, as a person can be a perfectly useful cog in a factory without it. On the other hand I believe for those who like to think, they are incredibly important, as they help us think in ways that are different from what we may be used to. They can also teach us new and different ways to see and communicate. Why else would Hitler and other leaders order books to be burnt. As for the importance of history classes, you know the old saying.. those who forget the past are destined to repeat it..

[ramenkage]

exactly, so for the intelligent people who actually READ the stuff... it's great for speculation and argumentsreading history and reading literature is a bit different
i have nothing against reading, but the literature is something that is open to interpretation, yet in school theres only one interpretation that gets you an a

On the other hand I believe for those who like to think, they are incredibly important, as they help us think in ways that are different from what we may be used to. They can also teach us new and different ways to see and communicate
Stalin banned music, why isnt music forced on us today?

As for the importance of history classes, you know the old saying.. those who forget the past are destined to repeat it..
agreed, but strangely enough, those who remember the past also repetit it. Its human nature =/

[mgviperman]

reading history and reading literature is a bit different
i have nothing against reading, but the literature is something that is open to interpretation, yet in school theres only one interpretation that gets you an a
that means use the teacher's interpretation in class and yours in a more liberal discussion


Stalin banned music, why isnt music forced on us today?
maybe because stalin didn't ban music in the US?

agreed, but strangely enough, those who remember the past also repetit it. Its human nature =/
those who know the past and repeat it probably have a purpose for doing so

[version01]

Also music brings in far too much money, and at the same time helps to brainwash the masses. It's far too useful to the those in power..

knowing the past and repeating a situation is different than repeating a past situation blindly.

[ramenkage]

maybe because stalin didn't ban music in the US?
Hitler didnt burn books in the US either

Also music brings in far too much money, and at the same time helps to brainwash the masses. It's far too useful to the those in power..
what does money have to do with it? books can brainwash too...as for using music to manipulate the people, ever heard of Mein Kampf and Manifest der kommunistischen Partei ?

knowing the past and repeating a situation is different than repeating a past situation blindly.
not necessarily, history in itself is vague
and factors vary
for instance, the question of involvement in forgein affair, is it better to be isolated or involved? History gives us various answers.

[version01]

Hitler didnt burn books in the US either


what does money have to do with it? books can brainwash too...as for using music to manipulate the people, ever heard of Mein Kampf and Manifest der kommunistischen Partei ?


not necessarily, history in itself is vague
and factors vary
for instance, the question of involvement in forgein affair, is it better to be isolated or involved? History gives us various answers.

As you probably know, money is pretty much everything in a capitalist society. Those with usually have the most sway with those in control.. and yeah I've actually read the communist manifesto, haven't had a chance to read all of mein kampf.. my point in the power of brainwashing through music is that music is easier to absorb, as it takes much less effort to listen to a song and pick up information subconciously than the effort to read, and process that information.

if you have the knowledge of what caused certain situations in the past you can use that knowledge to manipulate the outcome to some extent, whereas if you are lacking that knowledge of the past it is quite possible that you may hit the same pitfalls...

[Babbo]

everyone knows that isolation is bad.....we almost got ****ed over by germany and mexico in WWI cause of that.........st00pid mexicans...even if they did mangae to win in an alliance with German, did they think Germany would let a Catholic nation off the hook from the SS........st00pid espicailly when and if america was defeated, they probably wouldn't have gotten anything.........

[sapphiresky]

If you never read sheakspear and the like do you know how many conversations and statments you won't understand? It would be like a person who doesn't know what a jedi is x10!!! You'll go throough life thinking Romeo and Juliet is a feel-good romantic-comedy!! The world will shun you!!! It would be like trying to participate in and anime forum when you've never watched a single anime or read a single manga! you'll be left out!

[Babbo]

it's a ZOMBIE THREAd!!!!! 0_0;;

[SoulBerry]

English as it is currently taught should not be considered an academic class,
it is true that reading and writing is essential to our daily lives,
but what are the benifits of shakespearian plays and romantic poetry
Anyone agree/disagree?

shakespearean ><

English is an academic class not only because we use English in math, science, business, etc. but also because mastering English allows us to express our thoughts and feelings. Romantic poetry, etc. all serve to extend our vocabulary and make us aware of the world of artistic writing. After all, artistic language is present in everything: commercials, speeches, etc. Would you complain if they taught this sort of language using Orihime's quotes from the Grand Fisher arc? ;)

[Ouchy]

English is an academic class not only because we use English in math, science, business, etc. but also because mastering English allows us to express out thoughts and feelings.

:applause:

[minna]

English as it is currently taught should not be considered an academic class,
it is true that reading and writing is essential to our daily lives,
but what are the benifits of shakespearian plays and romantic poetry
Anyone agree/disagree?

For a dialect to become 'prestigous' it first need to be adopted by the people and then it moves up and infiltrates education which then affect government then finally courts and academia. Tha latter three would be harder to change as language change since the language used in those situations are based on tradition. I think it's not really in our control to stop a particular variety of language, in the case a newer variety of English from becoming part of academia if newer generations are brought up with it. Eventually in a century the language of academia is gonna be different to what we now know. Personally I think if that this the English future aerospace engineers and astropyhsists are going to use then heck why not.