Coincidence or Premonition?

[SoulBerry]

Do you believe in coincidences, or do you think that events happen because they are meant to be? Do you think a series of strange events is an indicator of what to come in the future?

For the past month, I've been seeing the number 4 alot. Sometimes, when I look at the clock.. 4:44. When I wake up at midnight and go downstairs for a drink.. 4:44 am. When look at my watch after a class.. 4:44 pm. I opened my bittorrent file today, and the file was 44.4% downloaded! I've saw the digits 44, or 444, even 4444, at least 25 times the past month. As many of you know, in China the number 4 is considered very unlucky as it sounds similar to "death," so I can't help but feel uncomfortable.

Perhaps the body has a self-clock. Some people, without fail, wake up at exactly 7:10 everyday even without a clock. Perhaps a body clock also subconsicously directs a person to look at the time at certain times? This is the only rational explanation I could find for this tendancy, perhaps coincidence.

In another example: a few monthes ago, I kept running into a friend, even though she and I have completely different schedules. We would run into each other at random times. For example, I leave for home at 4:10 pm, then I run into her on the bus. The next day, I see her in the morning, before I go to class, and then after class finished, I had lunch and left at 4:52-and met her on the bus. In fact, I usually never see her, but I met her more than fifteen times in that week. Again, I can't help but think that she's fateful to my future.

[speedphantom]

Thats pretty freaky stuff..........

I wouldn't worry about 4 and the Chinese superstition, the most ridiculous connection, just because it sounds like death. And 8 sounds like wealth, all that is junk :D

This Chinese guy in Melbourne bought an expensive river-side apartment because in the advertisment the building was shown to be gold but when it was built of course it wasn't, so he sold it in a long court case :p

Coincidents happen all the time but as many times as in your case is a bit strange.

I have coincidents daily ;) , everytime I cook something with the microwave, I walk out of the kitchen and close the door. I walk back usually a minute to two minutes and a bit later depending on how long of course and just as I get to the microwave the timer just finishes its duration or there are 2-3 seconds remaining.

The microwaving food isn't even on my mind, like I'll be at my computer and then my brain just clicks and tells me to go check the microwave and there we go, its perfect timing, everytime :confused:

I don't believe any event is an indicator for the future, I don't believe in the horoscope junk, even the creator admitted it was just for entertainment but so many people still believe it!! >_>.

Palm reading, John Edwards :D and other "psychic" with mind powers to predict the future are faking it IMO. I don't believe in what can't be scientifically proven but thats not to say with a decent enough explanation I won't believe it.

Sketchy area here because of all the claims that people say they had dreams about this and that etc and it actually happens, so maybe..............

[dirty saint]

I believe in coincidence and deju vu. or those dreams that eventually happen. most of them are before i joined the navy 2 years ago. one dream was that i was in a room full of people sitting on the floor, all wearing the same blue shirt. i thought it was jail, but when i went to bootcamp bam. room full of people sitting on the floor in blue shirts. another dream is me standing ontop of a stairway fixing a door. and people constantly walking by interupting. and the other day, i was fixing a door on a ship exactly like my dream with people wearing the same thing constantly walking by. and those dreams we long before i joined the navy. and it gave me a deja vu feeling and i know that i hadnt done thoses thing until that exact second it happened.

i believe totally soulberry. and seeing that friend might mean something is going to happen there. about the unlucky numbers....thats just freaky

[pheonixfire]

Maybe 4 is ur lucky number then. That is pretty....uh.....interesting..... Try looking up numerology ad seeing what it means.....well, if ur into that sort of thing

[SoulBerry]

The microwaving food isn't even on my mind, like I'll be at my computer and then my brain just clicks and tells me to go check the microwave and there we go, its perfect timing, everytime :confused:


Yea, that exactly what I mean with the body's self-timing clock. It's like counting unconsciously, as strange as that sounds.

Animals display even more strange traits. I mean, look at birds: they migrate upwards of 50 thousand miles, and they can end up in exactly the same place each time-even if they deviate from their standard course. If I had to walk 50 thousand miles to a particular spot, ot even fly there in an airplane, I'm bound to get lost on the way unless I had extensive special training, and I'll probably never find it if I get lost. Birds can go a few thousand miles off track and still get there on time. That's why I don't believe in coincidence and superstition as much as mystery body funtions.

Edit: hmm, when I look at this, I posted at 4:49... my stand clock says 4:45... whew? freaky -_-.

Saint: That's really cool, dream coming true @@.

[Fuzakeru]

I usually wake up every morning at 9:30 if not a minute or two off. I believe that's more habit than anything else though. A friend of mine, everynight always looks at her clock and its 11:37. I used to always look at the clock at school in my art class and it'd always be 1:20.

That's interesting though, at every turn finding the number four. I don't know what to think of that or anything similar to that but it makes you think for a second though, doesn't it?

[dar]

well as for me i believe in what they call fate. everything happens for a reason, there is no unexplained event that'll occur in our life.. It may be bad but it'll defintely have something good in return. same goes the other way around.

[Fuzakeru]

I've often wondered though with the acceptance of 'fate' doesn't one give up control of their life? I mean, with nothing unexplained and everything predestined does that make 'free will' nothing more than a meer illusion?

With that in mind, could we really claim responsibilty for anything we do whether right or wrong?

???? I'm not sure myself so hearing others opinions would be nice.

[dar]

well i still think that. i mean the so called "free will" is like what fate had planned for you. It must be something that was predetined to you..

i remember that line you said from a game i played before.. maybe suikoden?

[pheonixfire]

Here is sum basic numerology stuff i cut and pasted off the net....i'll see if their is anything with more insight later....

4 - PRACTICAL

Traits:application, determination, serious BUILDER, doer, manager, traditional

The number 4 symbolizes the principle of putting ideas into form. It signifies work and productivity. The 4 is constructive, realistic, traditional and cautious. It is the number of system, order, and management.

Gifts: Concentration, realistic values, system

Challenges: Rigidity, too cautious, limited viewpoint

Personal Goal: Accomplishment, security

Fears: Sudden change, deprivation, loss

Succeeds as: Earth scientist, business owner, developer, lawyer, administrator, office worker, body worker

this next one is actually a life path reading which means that it is the sum of ur birthday, but i'll just add its definition here anyways:

4
The Life Path 4 produces the most trustworthy, practical, and down-to-earth of individuals; the cornerstone members of society. The goal of this life path is learning to take orders and to carry them out with dedication and perseverance. You always demand as much from yourself as you do from others, and sometimes a lot more. You have the kind of will power that is often mistaken for sheer stubbornness. Once a decision is made, it will be followed through to the conclusion, right, wrong, or indifferent; you are very set in your ways and determined to handle things the way you are so certain that they should be handled. Your tenacity of purpose and ability to get the job done borders on obsession.
You are an excellent organizer and planner because of your innate ability to view things in a very common sense and practical way. You are a wonderful manager with a great sense of how to get the job done.

Loyal and devoted, you make the best of your marriage, and you are a dependable business partner. Friends may be few in number, but you are very close to them and once friendships are made, they often last a lifetime. The number 4 is solidly associated with the element of earth from which it gains it strength and utter sense of reality. You are one of the most dependable people you know. If patience and determination can ever win, you are sure to achieve great success in life.

The negative side of the 4 can prove dogmatic to an excess, narrow-minded, and repressive. A lot of skin-deep people turn you off, and you lack the tact to keep your feelings from being totally clear to all around. Additionally, the negative 4 has a bad tendency to get too caught up in the daily routine of affairs and often misses the big picture and major opportunities that come along once in a while.

Some other random things u can read if u'll like.....but i didn't really read it through......:

Symbolism is a seldom fully understood, fact of life. For many of us, our first exposure to learning about symbolism was in school where we thought, "Hey, what's this to me?" Well, symbolism is all around us. For example, when you are driving and you come to a stop because the traffic signal was red, you have responded to a symbol: red means "stop".

You can purchase a blank book of some kind to record your dreams and common symbols that you see everyday. By recording your dreams, and symbols in your life, you can determine if there are any patterns to your dreams and symbols. As you learn about your personal set of symbols, you can become more aware of how powerful your own intuition can be and you can tap into the deeper meanings of words, numbers and language.

Our list of applications is by no means exhaustive, but it is meant to help you to begin to tap into Numerology and the symbolism in your life. Do you have a cool application idea that we could add to our applications? Let us know, and we can try to add it. Also, be aware that there are software tools available for download and workshops that can help you with your Numerology.

[Fuzakeru]

I can't recall if that line was in a video game ( I never played Suikoden ). I did just finish replaying Xenogears though so I've been pondering a lot of 'spirtual' questions lately.

I like the think things happen for a reason but the idea that fate has given you a false sense of free will by setting up limitations in which you can control worries me. Meh, better to not look to deep in to things, I suppose. ^_^;

[Travis]

Do you believe in coincidences, or do you think that events happen because they are meant to be? Do you think a series of strange events is an indicator of what to come in the future?

For the past month, I've been seeing the number 4 alot. Sometimes, when I look at the clock.. 4:44. When I wake up at midnight and go downstairs for a drink.. 4:44 am. When look at my watch after a class.. 4:44 pm. I opened my bittorrent file today, and the file was 44.4% downloaded! I've saw the digits 44, or 444, even 4444, at least 25 times the past month. As many of you know, in China the number 4 is considered very unlucky as it sounds similar to "death," so I can't help but feel uncomfortable.

Perhaps the body has a self-clock. Some people, without fail, wake up at exactly 7:10 everyday even without a clock. Perhaps a body clock also subconsicously directs a person to look at the time at certain times? This is the only rational explanation I could find for this tendancy, perhaps coincidence.

In another example: a few monthes ago, I kept running into a friend, even though she and I have completely different schedules. We would run into each other at random times. For example, I leave for home at 4:10 pm, then I run into her on the bus. The next day, I see her in the morning, before I go to class, and then after class finished, I had lunch and left at 4:52-and met her on the bus. In fact, I usually never see her, but I met her more than fifteen times in that week. Again, I can't help but think that she's fateful to my future.
This all means that you will have 4 kids with her, maybe 4 at the same time. Good luck. You're going to need it.

[SoulBerry]

This all means that you will have 4 kids with her, maybe 4 at the same time. Good luck. You're going to need it.

Not what I had in mind, given I don't like her that way :D.

Or maybe she'll be the one eventually responsible for my murder.. :eek:


that numerology stuff is interesting pheonix. I've never seen the like before. All the traits from #4 seems to apply to me. (although, I'm pretty sure if I saw 5's, then the traits from #5 would still apply to me-who could resist being called a potential lawyer, bodybuilder, CEO..)

[speedphantom]

I don't believe in fate simply because I don't believe in some higher power in determining every aspect of our lives.

I have a friend is who deeply Christian and he believes god will find the right girl for him and probably take care of every other thing in his life.

It is not fate when I choose to do homework or play games, sometimes I feel lazy and sometimes I can be bothered doing the work.

Is it fate then that I am lazy and bothered to do homework at different times?
You can't say fate only applies some of the time, its all the time or never.

We all have choices in our lives and we choose what we feel like at the time, it is not decided for us.

[dar]

Well im christian but yet i not a believer.. I think you guys misunderstood my last reply. I meant that things happen for a reason, for me I call it fate, some might even call it destiny or whatever.

[speedphantom]

My interpretation of fate is everything is already planned, you can't change it.

Dictionary.com

The supposed force, principle, or power that predetermines events.

Everything happens for a reason is just like a consequence for every action isn't it? :confused:

Like the train was late because the driver forgot to wake up on time.

[SoulBerry]

That definition works well-I think we use fate to mean "position/situation in life as predetermined by events/conditions." For example, it could be one's fate to be a slave, if their parents were slaves, or to die of drug overdose if they're addicted to something. The conditions predetermine the outcome, or at least works toward it.

Destiny, I think, is when the outcome defies the conditions-when a farmer's son becomes king, that could be destiny.

Of course, those are just my own interpertations. I know some people (even professors) who use fate and destiny with the same meaning but different connotations, i.e. "They were fated to fight" and "They were destinied to fall in love".

[pheonixfire]

U don't have to be christian to believe in fate. And if u do believe in it, you don't have to always believe in it to such a high degree. I believe that there are things that are meant to happen and that depending on how it is that u live ur life, your fate may change. i believe that one may be destined forr great things and is meant to do such and such, but if they choose to be blind to their calling, then it just won't happen.... I don't know if that made any sense the way i explained it, but i understand in my heart. But what ever floats ur boat, ppl have the right to believe in whatever it is that theyu see fit.

[bloodcrest]

Thats pretty freaky stuff..........

I wouldn't worry about 4 and the Chinese superstition, the most ridiculous connection, just because it sounds like death. And 8 sounds like wealth, all that is junk :D

This Chinese guy in Melbourne bought an expensive river-side apartment because in the advertisment the building was shown to be gold but when it was built of course it wasn't, so he sold it in a long court case :p

Coincidents happen all the time but as many times as in your case is a bit strange.

I have coincidents daily ;) , everytime I cook something with the microwave, I walk out of the kitchen and close the door. I walk back usually a minute to two minutes and a bit later depending on how long of course and just as I get to the microwave the timer just finishes its duration or there are 2-3 seconds remaining.

The microwaving food isn't even on my mind, like I'll be at my computer and then my brain just clicks and tells me to go check the microwave and there we go, its perfect timing, everytime :confused:

I don't believe any event is an indicator for the future, I don't believe in the horoscope junk, even the creator admitted it was just for entertainment but so many people still believe it!! >_>.

Palm reading, John Edwards :D and other "psychic" with mind powers to predict the future are faking it IMO. I don't believe in what can't be scientifically proven but thats not to say with a decent enough explanation I won't believe it.

Sketchy area here because of all the claims that people say they had dreams about this and that etc and it actually happens, so maybe..............

The 8 and 4 'bullshit' might have sounded pretty offensive to people like me :P

Well, Science cant explain all, and I'm a firm believer in fate, destiny, 'coincidence's and whatever related to the sort ^^

The body clock part is true. For example, if you try really hard to tell yourself to wake up at 8, you probably will, maybe plus minus about half an hour or so. I read it somewhere before, but I cant place my finger on where I did.

As for such 'meetings', maybe its a hint for you to take action against something, or someone. Who knows what it actually means?

And dont worry too much about the '4'. You wont be that lucky... unless someone offered to give a clock. ^^ No offence intended.

[pheonixfire]

I don't believe in the horoscope junk, even the creator admitted it was just for entertainment but so many people still believe it!! >_>.

Palm reading, John Edwards :D and other "psychic" with mind powers to predict the future are faking it IMO. I don't believe in what can't be scientifically proven but thats not to say with a decent enough explanation I won't believe it.

Hey hey now, lil bro, lets not be so mean. Just because u don't belive in it doens't mean that u should talk that way...... What creator do u mean when u talk about horoscopes? That stuff has been around for centuries, so how would u know if its creator said its fake. And with me being pegan and all, means that the metaphysical is my a part of my religion, a pat of my beliefs. Im not dissing ppl here for what they believe in. I use tarot cards, does that mean im faking it? And when i light candles and do what i do, is it all for show?

and anyway, somethings cannot be explained.

[speedphantom]

Sorry sis! >_> Don't tell daddy! (whoever he is)

Guess it was a little harsh and I didn't have hard evidence on the creator admiting it was fake part, a friend told me that so that was my source. Didn't realise it was created by ancient Greeks :o

But still I usually won't believe in anything I can't see with my own eyes however I'm not completely closed minded on things that can't be seen.

Like my dad explained scientifically to me that humans only have a small frequency of light that our eyes can pick up, so there may be other planes of existence which reflect light that we can't pick up. Which would explain why the sensor light in the front and back turn on even though I don't see anything. Either the possum or cat is super-fast or there is something out there..................aahhhhhhhh!

Was it from Bleach which said, "We fear that which we cannot see"?

Well if there is something living which I cannot see, I'M SCARED!!!!!!!!!!!! >_>!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[pheonixfire]

Its alright, im just a bit defensive. All better now! *gives lil bro noogies* ^_^

[speedphantom]

Nooooooo! not the noogie!!!! >_>

I just spent 30 mins on my hair! :mad:

[pheonixfire]

but its a symbol of a sisterly love.....u can't resist the love......*noogies of family bonding* hee hee hee....don't worry i'll fix it *whips out the hair gel and spray* there see!!! All better!!!!

[speedphantom]

I was just thinking about this fate topic and stuff and I came up with another argument against you fate believers :D

If fate is indeed true, then a person's life is determined from birth. So all those people who are so called "losers" or "failures" are losers from birth then?

People are fated to make decisions which will lead them down a certain path to a terrible life then? So some people are fated to become famous, be a criminal, be homeless?

Do you like the idea that everyone's future is set and they cannot do a single thing about it? Some people won't be able to change for the better if they are bound by fate.

[jewlreya]

I believe in fate but I don't submit to it. :D

Well, this happened to people around me. An accident happened right in front of me some days ago, the bike knocked onto a car and then the bike fell on the rider. Then, this happened to one of my friend, exactly the same thing. It's scary though... ><

[uranai]

I was just thinking about this fate topic and stuff and I came up with another argument against you fate believers :D

If fate is indeed true, then a person's life is determined from birth. So all those people who are so called "losers" or "failures" are losers from birth then?

People are fated to make decisions which will lead them down a certain path to a terrible life then? So some people are fated to become famous, be a criminal, be homeless?

Do you like the idea that everyone's future is set and they cannot do a single thing about it? Some people won't be able to change for the better if they are bound by fate.

I think that fate, as a predetermined lifre, is true. But just to the limit of probabilities. So fate would be how your personality, your social positon, your abilities, and your way of taking decisions affect your life. Making it seems predetermined or following some pattern.

[Jei]

I think that fate, as a predetermined life, is true. But just to the limit of probabilities. So fate would be how your personality, your social positon, your abilities, and your way of taking decisions affect your life. Making it seems predetermined or following some pattern.

So through what your saying, fate is essentially your character. I believe that could be true, but to reply to what someone said ealier


well i still think that. i mean the so called "free will" is like what fate had planned for you. It must be something that was predetined to you..

That I've pondered for awhile... I usually get frustrated thinking about it. If you decide something, and believe that fate has lead you to it. Then choose to defy fate, by deciding against it, what happens it thats the true path. @_@ It gets frustrating because eventually you think even if you don't believe in fate, that no matter what you do everything is predetermined.

Anywho, about the first topic. I can relate to your experience SoulBerry. For some odd reason, I usually get a case of deja vu constantly. I see things one day, and somehow, a few days or weeks later, I see it again in a different form. For example, I think about something in my mind, and somehow it appears on television the next day...

Odd how the world works...

[shihouin]

I remeber reading some time ago, that our brains only function at like 20-30 %of their true capacity. Deja Vu and other premonitions are probably simply accessing some of that 70% we don't usually use.
As for myself, it actually happened several times, freaksihly enough though, the Deja Vu experiences comes through in my dreams. Whenever I have a "normal" dream that I remember, it has some wierd tendency to come true months, even years later.
There was one time when I was in sixth grade, I had a dream I went to on a trip, and went into a store with a ferris wheel inside. crazy huh, I remembered the dream very clearly, but it was so obscure i just discounted. (ferris wheels inside a building?!?) Oddly enough, two years later, I went on a school trip. behold, I go into the exact same store I saw in my dream, ferris wheel and all (no lie, there really was a ferris wheel inside a building).

[pheonixfire]

Very true!!!! I have had the same thing happen too.....its scary....... @_@

[uranai]

I remeber reading some time ago, that our brains only function at like 20-30 %of their true capacity. Deja Vu and other premonitions are probably simply accessing some of that 70% we don't usually use.
As for myself, it actually happened several times, freaksihly enough though, the Deja Vu experiences comes through in my dreams. Whenever I have a "normal" dream that I remember, it has some wierd tendency to come true months, even years later.
There was one time when I was in sixth grade, I had a dream I went to on a trip, and went into a store with a ferris wheel inside. crazy huh, I remembered the dream very clearly, but it was so obscure i just discounted. (ferris wheels inside a building?!?) Oddly enough, two years later, I went on a school trip. behold, I go into the exact same store I saw in my dream, ferris wheel and all (no lie, there really was a ferris wheel inside a building).

I agree with the fact that the true power of the human brain is still unknown, however, sometimes deja vu can be associated with a simple stadistical reference. Just like fortune telling, you are more likely to remember of emphazice (sp?) just the facts that are true.

Ex. if you go a preson reading your fortune, tells you there is someone important in your life whose name begins with some letter, and there is , you will remeber that. If there is no, then you are more likely to forget about that.

The same way with dreams... you can consider normals dreams those that do not seem to have a meaning in real life, until they have one.

[pheonixfire]

But see true "fortune telling" is actually far different then the kind that u see in movies or get off some stand in the street. Most tood of divination are used to get more depth into an already present situation as opposed to just asnsering some question like "will i ever get rich?" or "how will i die" Those questions can not be answered simply like that. But, if one was in an on-going buisness deal and were to ask "what things may come from this trasaction?" That would be something an acceptable question to ask.

[uranai]

But see true "fortune telling" is actually far different then the kind that u see in movies or get off some stand in the street. Most tood of divination are used to get more depth into an already present situation as opposed to just asnsering some question like "will i ever get rich?" or "how will i die" Those questions can not be answered simply like that. But, if one was in an on-going buisness deal and were to ask "what things may come from this trasaction?" That would be something an acceptable question to ask.

Yes, I know that. I just used the fortune telling stuff to make an example of selective memmory (i thing that is what it is called).

BUt again, I am a true believer of the unknown power of the mind and brain.

[pheonixfire]

Okey dokey then!!! ^_^ Oh, yeah i am not trying to rag on u.....sometimes it can seem otherwise tho....*sigh* Ur too sweet Uranai

[uranai]

Okey dokey then!!! ^_^ Oh, yeah i am not trying to rag on u.....sometimes it can seem otherwise tho....*sigh* Ur too sweet Uranai

hehe.. thanks.. you're a nice person... and you know a lot of stuff.

[pheonixfire]

Thanks *continues pinching cheeks*