9/11 Conspiracy

[eightfold]

I just watched a vid that my friend linked me to that was rather interesting. We've all heard about the conspiracies of what really happened at 9/11, but this video went to great lengths to disprove what the reports were saying, and then some.

Warning
The following video may offend some people and is not recommended for dial-up users. It is also 1 hour long, so I suggest you put some time off if you plan on watching the whole thing. With that said, you can view it at your own discretion.
The Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194)

Also I recommend that you watch it in its original size or at least, double size. The resizing can add a bit of blurriness to the images.

I'll post my thoughts on it later.

[nstf]

If this vid is about the pentagon conspiracy I was in the Navy at the time this went down, and I work at the pentagon, it's a crock.

If it's about pulling the towers up in NYC, nobody knows what went on their.

[shadoblak]

I just watched a vid that my friend linked me to that was rather interesting. We've all heard about the conspiracies of what really happened at 9/11, but this video went to great lengths to disprove what the reports were saying, and then some.

Warning
The following video may offend some people and is not recommended for dial-up users. It is also 1 hour long, so I suggest you put some time off if you plan on watching the whole thing. With that said, you can view it at your own discretion.
The Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194)

Also I recommend that you watch it in its original size or at least, double size. The resizing can add a bit of blurriness to the images.

I'll post my thoughts on it later.

Is this the one where they show the light before the plane hits, the interviews that were only sen once, the people saying they didnt see any windows and they didnt think it was a commercial airline, and that a plane couldnt have hit the pentagon and that it was probably a bunker buster missile and showed the diameter of the hole and said it was too small for a plane and how it looked at some points the trade centers blew up from the inside, like a demolition and how they took the secutity tape from the nearby gas station that showed the pentagon thing yadayadayada? if so my global issues teacher showed it to us (he seems to know everyone in the world and wont tell us where he gets his videos....he got us like official bootlegs...like the videos they give reviewers before the movie even comes out...we stopped asking)

[epicbard]

*puts on heavy duty protective helmet*


*makes his way through the thick reefer smoke*

*rolls eyes*

You kids and your conspiracies :rolleyes:

*shrugs* I blame the X-Files for the gullable generation of young ones.


*retreats before the flame war starts*

[nstf]

you forgot your tin foil hat

[eightfold]

Is this the one where they show the light before the plane hits, the interviews that were only sen once, the people saying they didnt see any windows and they didnt think it was a commercial airline, and that a plane couldnt have hit the pentagon and that it was probably a bunker buster missile and showed the diameter of the hole and said it was too small for a plane and how it looked at some points the trade centers blew up from the inside, like a demolition and how they took the secutity tape from the nearby gas station that showed the pentagon thing yadayadayada? if so my global issues teacher showed it to us (he seems to know everyone in the world and wont tell us where he gets his videos....he got us like official bootlegs...like the videos they give reviewers before the movie even comes out...we stopped asking)Yep, this is it. I'm not really sure how old the video is, I only saw it today, but it was interesting nonetheless.

[Forefall]

you forgot your tin foil hat

Please, no more Signs references.

That movie gave me tourettes.

****!

[thexwired]

guys, can we please have a little respect for eightfold and his topic? i mean, WATCH the movie before you go off on your little "if this is about..."s. if you watch it, then you'll KNOW what it's about, so you can comment accordingly. if you don't have the time to download it/watch it, don't comment on it, or perhaps, ask for a synopsis so you'd get the gist of what the movie was about.

personally, i don't have the time to watch the movie at the moment, but i WILL make time later, so i can better comment upon this topic.

[eightfold]

guys, can we please have a little respect for eightfold and his topic? i mean, WATCH the movie before you go off on your little "if this is about..."s. if you watch it, then you'll KNOW what it's about, so you can comment accordingly. if you don't have the time to download it/watch it, don't comment on it, or perhaps, ask for a synopsis so you'd get the gist of what the movie was about.

personally, i don't have the time to watch the movie at the moment, but i WILL make time later, so i can better comment upon this topic.Thank you for that. I was expecting such comments to arise anyhow, but they don't phase me one bit.

[Nailbeer]

I've seen of the conspiracy videos and pictures and thread. "The government wants to cover it up", "It was satan's doing" or "THE ALIENS DID IT!" And I'm not convinced.

Something that looks and crashes like a plane hits a few buildings and a field. It was later confirmed that this is the work of Osama and Saddam. Then, we start a war over it. And now, some people think some bullshit about what actually happened, as if it matters now.

Right. -_- And I mean no offense to you, eightfold, or anyone, it just doesn't make sense to me.

[epicbard]

guys, can we please have a little respect for eightfold and his topic? i mean, WATCH the movie before you go off on your little "if this is about..."s. if you watch it, then you'll KNOW what it's about, so you can comment accordingly. if you don't have the time to download it/watch it, don't comment on it, or perhaps, ask for a synopsis so you'd get the gist of what the movie was about.

personally, i don't have the time to watch the movie at the moment, but i WILL make time later, so i can better comment upon this topic.okok... i'll take off my tinfoil yamaka.. but thats as far as i go.

[thexwired]

Thank you for that. I was expecting such comments to arise anyhow, but they don't phase me one bit.

well, stuff like that happened on my thread (people commenting without reading the article), and i was a bit miffed, so i thought i'd help nip it in the bud over here. nice topic, btw. it's a rare thing for a slightly controversial/discussion topic to make it to the boards. it's usually vaguely entertaining but not brainy threads about school or work or sports or something... you know.

EDIT: haha nice epic ^.^

[nstf]

People will call BS because most have seen this before, and several other movies like it.

Or in my case, I have been working at the pentagon for years, and it was a plane

[Forefall]

People will call BS because most have seen this before, and several other movies like it.

Or in my case, I have been working at the pentagon for years, and it was a plane

Or are you just covering it up because you work for the man!!!? Typical government lackey. :P

But seriously... my aunt worked at the Pentagon and said the same. Sorry, no dice.

[epicbard]

People will call BS because most have seen this before, and several other movies like it.

Or in my case, I have been working at the pentagon for years, and it was a planei agree with ntfs... err reiserfs ... err nsstfs.. oh ntsf :D

[Ramza]

wow...watching that video scares me...about how its not osama bin laden that cause the attack...but the US government...wow...that scares me

[epicbard]

wow...watching that video scares me...about how its not osama bin laden that cause the attack...but the US government...wow...that scares me
you honestly believe that. there is a conspiracy theory for just about everything...


what scary is people, young people at that, taking such ideas be it from videos, professors etc at face value and running with it.

[shadoblak]

Yep, this is it. I'm not really sure how old the video is, I only saw it today, but it was interesting nonetheless.

i saw it like last year....that was interesting....and Ramza....with all the stuff that happens how wars seem to start when polititcians need a boost....i wouldnt be surprised....

[Ramza]

you honestly believe that. there is a conspiracy theory for just about everything...


what scary is people, young people at that, taking such ideas be it from videos, professors etc at face value and running with it.
no...im just thinking about that idea...
ok w/e i believed a bit...just because its US...anything can happen in US

[eightfold]

lol, well I guess I should comment on it now.

Despite what some may think, I'm actually rather skeptical about the video. The images and videos shown could have easily been doctored and people paid to have done a bit of acting. While there were some interesting parts, I can think of at least a couple of counter arguments for each one of them.

Anyway, it was funny reading some people's reactions. Just goes to show that some of you are quick to judge huh? Get it right next time.

[shadoblak]

you honestly believe that. there is a conspiracy theory for just about everything...


what scary is people, young people at that, taking such ideas be it from videos, professors etc at face value and running with it.
its not about taking things at facevalue and running its just something interesting to consider...of course people are gonna be all THATS CRAZY without even watching it...im sure he knew that putting this up....wow...im arguing the da vinci code again...:p

[Griffith]

you honestly believe that. there is a conspiracy theory for just about everything...


what scary is people, young people at that, taking such ideas be it from videos, professors etc at face value and running with it.

People these days are definitely too idealistic, which results in them accepting the latest theory that's pushed at them - I'll agree with you on that point. It's scary to think how easy an entire population could be manipulated, if a government really tried to do it.

but anyway, on to my main point: epicbard's avatar is actually a super virus that will destroy your computer and your life if you click on it. trust me. <_< >_>

[Ramza]

People these days are definitely too idealistic, which results in them accepting the latest theory that's pushed at them - I'll agree with you on that point. It's scary to think how easy an entire population could be manipulated, if a government really tried to do it.

but anyway, on to my main point: epicbard's avatar is actually a super virus that will destroy your computer and your life if you click on it. trust me. <_< >_>
and u are a extemely good thread reviver for getting 1000 post within less than 1 month

[nstf]

Here is the deal though, I have seen those vids before.

Also on the day this happened I SAW the plane fly low into the buildings area. The pentagon is also built to stand bomb blasts, so a plane disintegrating and doing little damage is expected, hell the building is a bomb shelter.

Also the reason there is no "footage" of the plane hitting, is because the buildings security is top secret, so no footage gets out EVER. And if you try to film it with a home camera, men with machine guns will jump you and hog tie you, so of course there is no film of it.

It's not quick to judge, it's seen it before, and SAW IT HAPPEN. Hell I felt/heard the impact.


i agree with ntfs... err reiserfs ... err nsstfs.. oh ntsf

it's Not Safe To Frag, it's a nick name back from competitive quake because I always got fragged first and then dominated the match, so it was an inside joke in my old team.

[epicbard]

People these days are definitely too idealistic, which results in them accepting the latest theory that's pushed at them - I'll agree with you on that point. It's scary to think how easy an entire population could be manipulated, if a government really tried to do it.

but anyway, on to my main point: epicbard's avatar is actually a super virus that will destroy your computer and your life if you click on it. trust me. <_< >_>where did you hear this? >_>

<_>

man i hope you dont make a video about it cuz if you do then everyone will know the truth behind the ebil sheep viruses

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)o

[Griffith]

lol, well I guess I should comment on it now.

Despite what some may think, I'm actually rather skeptical about the video. The images and videos shown could have easily been doctored and people paid to have done a bit of acting. While there were some interesting parts, I can think of at least a couple of counter arguments for each one of them.

Anyway, it was funny reading some people's reactions. Just goes to show that some of you are quick to judge huh? Get it right next time.

Hehe people were more attacking the position of the video than you yourself - but anyway, I was rolling my eyes when I saw replies within 5 minutes of your post when the video clearly said 1 hour -.-

epic: it's already being made, directed by michael moore

ntsf: Well assuming you're not shitting us, then there's really no more argument since you were there lol. also, why don't you get an avatar dude;)

[Ramza]

where did you hear this? >_>

<_>

man i hope you dont make a video about it cuz if you do then everyone will know the truth behind the ebil sheep viruses

)O
)o
**** i just clicked it!!! OMG noooooo trojans!!!! DIE!
noooooooo **** sheeps!!!

[epicbard]

it's Not Safe To Frag, it's a nick name back from competitive quake because I always got fragged first and then dominated the match, so it was an inside joke in my old team.lol. cool. i was just playing bc it sounds like filesystem acronyms XD

[shadoblak]

Hehe people were more attacking the position of the video than you yourself - but anyway, I was rolling my eyes when I saw replies within 5 minutes of your post when the video clearly said 1 hour -.-
i posted quickly cause i had already seen it.....whats the rest of you guys excuse :p

[epicbard]

Hehe people were more attacking the position of the video than you yourself - but anyway, I was rolling my eyes when I saw replies within 5 minutes of your post when the video clearly said 1 hour -.-
well its not like he just release this for the very first time on here. its been out for quite a while

[eightfold]

Here is the deal though, I have seen those vids before.

Also on the day this happened I SAW the plane fly low into the buildings area. The pentagon is also built to stand bomb blasts, so a plane disintegrating and doing little damage is expected, hell the building is a bomb shelter.

Also the reason there is no "footage" of the plane hitting, is because the buildings security is top secret, so no footage gets out EVER. And if you try to film it with a home camera, men with machine guns will jump you and hog tie you, so of course there is no film of it.

It's not quick to judge, it's seen it before, and SAW IT HAPPEN. Hell I felt/heard the impact.Well this is the only new video for me. I've seen a few other videos regarding the 9/11 conspiracies, all of which were pretty unconvincing to me. Despite the fact that there is no video footage, I could really care less about how the suits working in the Pentagon died. BUT this video isn't just about the Pentagon, so don't get all worked up about it.

And I wasn't talking about being quick to judge the video, but actually quick to judge the person presenting the video (i.e. me). Although it can apply to the video as well.

[nstf]

FYI it wasn't suits who died. It hit above ground where it's mostly common place people. It took out the navy wing, hardly a bunch of suits.

[eightfold]

I'll take your word for it, since of course I haven't worked at the pentagon.

[Centro]

Here is the deal though, I have seen those vids before.

Also on the day this happened I SAW the plane fly low into the buildings area. The pentagon is also built to stand bomb blasts, so a plane disintegrating and doing little damage is expected, hell the building is a bomb shelter.

Also the reason there is no "footage" of the plane hitting, is because the buildings security is top secret, so no footage gets out EVER. And if you try to film it with a home camera, men with machine guns will jump you and hog tie you, so of course there is no film of it.

It's not quick to judge, it's seen it before, and SAW IT HAPPEN. Hell I felt/heard the impact.

No disrespect, but here's the thing. Why should I take your opinion as fact, a stranger on a forum, in the face of some video evidence that seems to tell a different story?

For those that are sure that this is just another conspiracy theory, I'd like to hear some of your views on topics such as

- where are the engines of the pentagon plane?
- why the US government only released crappy images from security cameras of the pentagon hit when I'm sure they had much better evidence (if it actually happened).
- where are the wings of the pentagon plane?

[nstf]

- why the US government only released crappy images from security cameras of the pentagon hit when I'm sure they had much better evidence (if it actually happened).
I love this question because it's so easy to smack down.

The exact resolution of us visual equipment is topsecret, this is so people don't realize what details we have at what range. It's against the law to discluse good resolution photos/video/imaging to the public, and it would let people know what we have. If you have a top secret or better clearance you can log on and see the footage at a secure computer.

The plane was largely incinerated, and what was left taken by the DOD because since it was on DOD ground it's the MILITARYS job to look into it. The military never has, and never will open up classified investigations that give insight into it's own abilities to the public.

[Griffith]

Interesting link I found just sheds some light on the passengers of that flight and has some of its own speculation: http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html

[shadoblak]

Interesting link I found just sheds some light on the passengers of that flight and has some of its own speculation: http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html

hmmm interesting....
the only thing that REALLY makes me wonder is.....how you gon let 5 guys with box cutters take over your plane....where i live, they wouldnt have taken the plane with GUNS....

[Centro]

I love this question because it's so easy to smack down.

The exact resolution of us visual equipment is topsecret, this is so people don't realize what details we have at what range. It's against the law to discluse good resolution photos/video/imaging to the public, and it would let people know what we have. If you have a top secret or better clearance you can log on and see the footage at a secure computer.

The plane was largely incinerated, and what was left taken by the DOD because since it was on DOD ground it's the MILITARYS job to look into it. The military never has, and never will open up classified investigations that give insight into it's own abilities to the public.

The part about the plane being largely incinerated has been refuted by lots of sources. Many say that the temperatures reached would not have been high enough to incinerate parts of the aircraft and some parts of the aircraft wouldn't have been affected by fire. Isn't it strange that not one piece of wreckage was found or seen that would identify the plane as a 757.

[eightfold]

While I still remain rather skeptic about the video, the part about the towers collapsing could indeed be very convincing. Also, all you seem to be talking about is just the Pentagon. The video covers a whole lot more than just that. If anyone cares to watch the part about the collapsing of the WTC, just move the slider to the 22:30 position, that's when it starts. But just to sum it up, they basically say that the towers couldn't have collapsed like they did on their own.

If you wish to refute what the video has shown there, then I'd like to hear it. If you don't really know what happened there and haven't watched that part of the video, comment all you like, but it'll be taken with a grain of salt.

Also I don't see any problem in questioning such events. It's in people's nature to be curious. I don't think one would be gullible if they "fell" for such a conspiracy.

[fleezy]

This video is not very informative other than it provides some light on the possibility of a conspiracy. That being said, I think it is presented in an overly conspiratorial way and has some glaring omissions that only serve to recement its position. I personally am siding with the skeptics, but not for this video. I have done a fair amount of reading into the subject and have found some great articles that actually make you wonder what really happened, not overtly biased videos, but heartfelt, get to the bottom of this as soon as possible investigations that truly do try and find answers to the questions that people worldwide share.

I encourage all of you to go here:

http://s9.invisionfree.com/smack_battle_central/index.php?showtopic=5516

Not necessarily for the specific information posted in that specific thread, but the idea that the information posted there is but a FRACTION of the information available out there for people to actually research and develop their own position with.

To my knowledge at least three US college professors have openly stated that 9/11's happenings could be nothing BUT an inside job, including one David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones, and James Fetzer. It is very rare for someone in the field of academics to speak out openly in both spoken and written forms, and if someone is interested I can find the links to the papers.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/ - Link is "PENULTIMATE VERSION"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8765.htm - D.R. Griffin video speech
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html -- S. Jones paper (with link to Griffin's complementary paper)

To all of the naysayers out there I challenge you to conclusively prove that there IS no conspiracy, as that seems to be the largest rebuttle I have against my own position.

As much as I'd like to beleive your word nstf, it is by no means a reason substantial enough to sway my views with what I know at this point.